#6 New models, Mistral's Sneak Attack, Is Apple Failing at AI?

Welcome to Command AI, the podcast where we press Command F on today's internet news and somehow we still can't find our sanity. I'm Samuel Gregory and this is Kabaza and we're here to decode the weekly chaos in AI web design and development. This week we have Cloudfare outage caused by Vibe Coding. Apple failed to mention AI less than it mentioned Siri in its 2025 WWDC presentation. Dia the AI browser launched. Is this the future? 03 price drop and Gemini dropped 2.5 Pro while Mr. will launch a coding assistant. I don't know whether to say next one. We might have an exclusive. We'll figure that out later on down the line. Uh unfortunate term for a deeply intellectual exercise says Andrew or I don't know how you say that.

Anyway, anyway, embarrassingly called shuts down its underperforming AI blog. So that's this week. Lots to go through. Great job. Like that that was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Command Command AI. The podcast where we press command F on internet on the internet's AI news. Yeah. We're not a podcast. We are strictly not a podcast. I'll say that much. Well, we we we are going live every week and then yeah, we we are a show. So So let's dive into it. Starting with VIP coding and cloud. I don't know uh what happened to Cloudflare, but I just got a call like 20 minutes ago that my mom is not able to get uh like some medication.

Oh my god. Because like the card reader like the information is on the card and they can't read it. They go and I don't know if it's like directly this issue but they I got the call and they just said it's an outage and it's an internet outage. They were they told me and I don't know if it's directly connected or not, but she can't get medicine. Oh my god, that's that's really really bad. Yeah, it's um let's fill everyone in. So, actually and and and yes, the DIA video that I produced last night, it was like I was recording it and you know when you're super stressed, it's like oh nothing is working for me, right?

That was last night and it was as cl the uh outage of internet like my phone internet wasn't working my computer and I was like how is my phone internet not working and my computer internet point is the internet kind of went down last night and turned out that it was a cloudflare issue. Let me get my um here's all the uh here's all these services that went down. Pokemon is there screaming at me. Um loads of services went down basically. Um and it was a cloudflare issue. Cloudflare KV I think KV is a storage uh database storage and we really really suffered from it. So what so your mom did she get her medicine?

No. No. We uh we went to multiple places. They could not read the data on the card. So they don't know what to give her because the doctors prescribe it and nowadays like previously they would give you a paper that you would you know bring it uh they would read it you know like a human but now it's on the card and if the card reader cannot read it and you don't know what the doctor uh prescribed how do you get it? Yeah that's really bad. Yeah. So, so I was doing some digging, right? I went on a little little hunt, a little treasure hunt. I'm like, what could this be? And I'm looking through Twitter as you do cuz I mean, again, going back to our conversation on SEO is dead.

Like, SEO has not caught up with yesterday's internet outage yet. Like, it doesn't return anything. So, I I went to I don't know why I'm here, but there you go. Anyway, so I'm I'm doing some internet thing and I find out that actually it was caused by a developer who used Devon and I don't know if this is a joke, but it seems really legitimate like the he's getting sorryries and he's saying whatever. I don't know whether he's doing this for attention. I don't know. I I'm I'm lowkey like thinking I've just embarrassed myself here, but basically uh this kid uh was fired from Cloudflare. Last three months were amazing. Most but it turns out my Devon AI code caused this outage.

So his his vibe coding caused the outage and 30 minutes later his access has been revoked. Is this real or is this fake? Because I'm reading down and he's saying stuff like, "Love your work." Oh no, he's responding to another comment. That's me muting the crying. I should stop swearing, but um used to be I just don't know whether this is a troll in or whatever. I asked do because of the mention of I don't believe it because there was in it. It was this comment that got me and I was like hm maybe this is true. I don't know. But this is as far as I got and I thought was it is it like people are even asking because you just don't even know nothing funny about it.

I lost my dream job. No way. Um I mean I haven't even gone on to this guy's profile but like excloud flare. I mean is it it feels like have you ever seen um lead dev the lead dev or lead developer or something like that? He's a YouTube guy who you know him. It was very sort of what do they call it? Satire. Um dry humor. Um and I mean three hours ago he's got a lot of uh flaws and stuff like that. But um yeah, very satire, very very dry humor. I don't know whether he's going for that and absolutely nailing it, but because he used to do this like ex you know he was lead developers like ex Google, ex Facebook and ex millionaire and my wife left me and all that kind of stuff.

But anyway, I just I just don't know. I don't know whether I've been trolled. I don't know whether you've been trolled. Yeah. With with that guy, you never know. Like he says something and you question is it like for real or and and to be fair even now like I'm Are we still even live? Like Twitter is still playing up for me right now. I mean Twitter's going up and down all the time to be fair. But um yeah, regardless I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. Let us know in the comments like whatever. But uh let us know like on Discord because I live in this inside of Discord. I have a tent there.

Uh you couldn't upload images. Yeah, the chat was working. We were chatting all night. The video was working, but the image um uploading had some issues. KV sto for some reason KV storage rings a bell. And funnily enough, we're actually using KV storage on an app that I've just migrated. And I was I said to the client, "Ah, I doubt it will go down." Like he's like wanting to transfer everything. Cloudflare workers. It's the workers. Okay. So, it's not necessarily storage. It's like just basically JavaScript functions firing off. Key value. Oh, no. Key value data store. Low latency. Key value data store. There we go. So, I'll give you that. There you go. Um, so yeah, I mean, you really struggled last night.

I was really struggling last night. It It's just annoying. It was one of those things I was like, I did I didn't understand. It was like why nothing nothing should be wrong right now, but everything was kind of like going against me, but I wasn't missing out on my medication. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Um, I've moved the outbreak, but uh, let's talk Apple. Yeah, that's the news of the week, right? what everybody is talking about. Liquid glass. Liquid glass. You called it. Yeah, you called it seconds before it happened. Um, that's that was live in 4K or 1080p actually. Yeah. Have you seen the liquid ass though? No. Do you want to What's this?

You want to share your screen? You know what happened with liquid ass? Is it the story? So, okay. So, Apple introduced this liquid glass thing and they put it on YouTube as well. And the thumbnail says liquid glass, but the GL in glass is exactly where the YouTube uh play button, the icon, so you read it liquid ass. It's like such a perfect obstruction of like the GL that it's Yeah, it's perfect. It really looks like liquid ass. So that's why people are calling it liquid ass. I did in my Instagram video as well. People people pick up on it and it's now a part of the meme history. Nice. I um I I did a bit of pondering later on whilst I was uh relaxing.

Um, and I was coming up with other words for liquid glass because if you really think about if you really think about it, like it's just water. Like what what's the why? Why? Say it again. Say it again with your accent. Right. Water. What? Like say it without my tease. Look. All right. Yeah. I It's just water. So I was going to say but like wet look hair gel. Um, clear jelly liquid. It's just liquid. Like it's so it's so on brand to Apple to like have to try and brand brand everything. But I thought transparent viscous liquid fluid was quite nice or transparent primordial sea ooze was my personal favorite. Oh my god. Yeah.

Yeah. Um but more on more on trend is um they didn't really mention anything to do with AI and they mentioned Siri twice in the whole thing and that got picked up on very quickly. And I I don't know what to make of it because I I've said this like three times this week. Probably this is the fourth time I'm saying it is that Apple have always been great at abstracting the features the um the technology behind what's going on. And last year they were kind of forced by uh shareholders to like say something about AI because they've had AI for ages. Granted, it's not been amazing, but simple things like um how they process your photos is AI.

Um various things like that that they sort of abstract it and it sort of seemed like a what is it? Return to form where they did not me there was a few AI things going on, you know, but yeah, it just they didn't seem to mention it. Like I think the only clear thing they mentioned that was AI was actually releasing their foundation model to developers which is which is really cool actually. I really like that. I don't think it's going to be the best model, but the fact that I'm more excited about I think you know Apple kind of know this. I'm more excited about the developers and what the developers are going to do with this access to a local model on your device as well as private compute.

I think it's private compute that they include in it, but um to have a local AI running means that AI apps are going to probably explode and and they won't cost a fortune because they're not, you know, they're not having to use other models. That's Yeah, I have mixed feelings about this. Tell me tell me about your feelings. Simon says he's enjoying the for nature. Yeah. Yeah. Uh thank you. Well, what do you what do you want to use? Uh a model that is excellent at getting getting you what you are trying to say and giving you the right answer and everything that you want, but it takes a few seconds maximum because nowadays they are also really fast.

Uh versus another one that is on device, but it's kind of dumb. So yeah uh they said they are going to release these foundational models developers can use them also the private cloud I believe it's called. Yeah. um they they allow they make them available for developers but I don't understand like why would you use those uh opposed to something much you know powerful that you can yeah do more complex things with it because I personally don't mind waiting for a second or two because even the foundational models that that are running on device they are not just they are smaller So by that they're also a bit dumber but they are also slower. It's not it's not that they are like super fast because if you do something a bit taxing they still take time.

Not to mention we have uh search capabilities in these models nowadays you know with that you the data still goes to the internet it has to come back. So for a lot of things, I I don't know if these are going to be really that useful. And that goes back to a very important point. Why is Apple so behind? I've seen a few people talking about this. It's probably because of uh Craig Fedriggy and a lot of other people at Apple not really believing in AI. Have you read about this? Yeah. So, did you did you read their paper? I didn't read the paper, but I uh read about it and I watched a few videos about it and it's very interesting, especially the timing.

Why did they release it now? Yeah, it kind of seems a bit like I mean, they're literally mentioning Claude. Yeah. Open AI and things like that. Ah so the title is the illusion of thinking and this paper essentially says that these models are not really thinking models and uh with the increase of complexity the model uh trying to like the the answers that they give basically falls down and falls apart like they can't get complexity really well. Is that what the paper is? Pretty much. There was some interesting uh there was a specific kind of I think it was a stack of Hanoi. Is it called that game where you have to swap the swap the stones around and whatever.

So it was it was tested against that. Um but you know here we go. Yeah. It's this this is it. Tower of Hanoi. There you go. And they got some other games in there. Love the game. Yeah. Yeah, I spent many many minutes on that game. Um, so what is with that game? It can't play it or it falls down if it's like No, no, I think it's just one use case like it's it's it's an example. I think like of of how it can how it can perform in these use cases. It's I don't know whether it's necessarily I mean puzzle put three segs uh free peg in size order. The goal is to transfer blah blah blah.

Um, the difficulty in the task can be controlled by a number of discs, blah, blah, blah. I was just describing the game. Thanks for tell us rules. What did they actually say about this bad boy? Um, I got to sit and read this because it sounds really interesting. What I'm um also really interested in, how are they defining thinking at the beginning of the paper? Like what is our understanding of like human thinking? So they are comparing models to that. Yeah. I mean overall though it's it's an interesting it's an interesting thing that they decided to pull. Like was it just before WWDC? I don't know. But like they obviously it it does demonstrate a little bit of a you know a reservation when it comes to AI.

Um who who knows who who really really knows? But uh in answer to your question about like would you use AI locally blah blah blah I think it's always about knowing the limitations of the model itself. So like I wouldn't yeah if I needed more then of course I wouldn't go for if if testing was like this model was just taking too long to do what I need of course I wouldn't use it you know I wouldn't I wouldn't succumb the user to any kind of you know UX torment just because I wanted to use a local model saying that and I I I've yet to conclude my results of I really hate AI.com. go and let me know if you really hate AI, which none of us will, but like I'm I'm trying to learn why people hate AI.

A lot of it has to do with security. A lot of it has to do with stealing of data, which we've discussed on the show before about is this inherently what people really care? Are we being told we should care about um privacy or do we genuinely care about it? It's it's an open question. I don't I don't know. like you know you you have those people telling you that on LinkedIn which is harvesting your data like how how hypocritical is that I don't know maybe we just avoid I have some thoughts on why like some right like why some people would hate AI partially it's for me I think it's also really so so why people hate AI partially maybe because it's about effort and the way people see value and quality because we connect these things together.

We we think like something that has a high value and is um has a high quality, it takes time to create, it's also less available. But when something becomes like massively available and easy to create, therefore it should have a less value and be less of quality. So I think people also see uh AI slop this way. When they see things uh made with AI and kind of like shows that it there wasn't much work uh put in to create that thing. People don't like it. They see it as a swap as low quality. that that's how I personally at least feel if I see some really lowquality AI stuff like if I see something on social media and I noticed that there wasn't much effort put into creating it.

I just scroll by. I don't like it. I I didn't send this tweet out, but like I love the Yeti vlogs, right? They're so ridiculous. They're so funny. I love them. However, right, I can't help but think, hang on, like you you've just commanded an AI to to like generate this comedy. At least make it make sense. Like sometimes the the episode just doesn't make sense. Unless it's some sort of comedy that I I'm I'm struggling to tap into, but like you the AI has done so much of the work. Like you have the opportunity to now enhance it with your own little tweaks here and there. remove the bloody subtitles that don't read English or or don't make any sense or whatever.

Like, yeah, like I I I agree and I think and I've got the results of my tests so far, my um and I won't reveal them because again, I think that I'm respecting the privacy of people who are letting loose, right? But I'm hearing it across the board. I think a lot of people a lot of people don't like that it's stolen that that it's stolen the you know but we the thing is AI is so broad like I'm reading one right now and someone's saying all it does is produce slop but AI like you can use AI to make your photos better like to to enhance your photo or you can use AI to find cures in diseases and and provides it's so broad like why you you know it's so polarizing these two simple letters are so polarizing but they're so broad and I I when we try and encapsulate AI and just it feels like it's it does feel like a lot of the hatred comes from the creative stuff the generative AI stuff which is not the only application of AI and I feel like that's what a lot of these people don't quite understand but definitely a polarizing topic it's definitely definitely I mean I read through some of these people who have gone to town, which I love.

It's really good to read. Um, and I don't want to I don't want to, you know, dishearten their feelings, but I also can't help but feel like, but you're talking about one aspect of AI that technology is, you know, um, back to Apple stuff, uh, they mentioned Siri twice. They they didn't talk really much about anything. They just had more of UI stuff. Um, so I didn't get that. Could you try again? Well, speaking of Siri is dumb. God, Siri is like dumb. So, have you seen Silicon Valley the show? Uh, I was recommended it. I didn't really get it. Yeah, go on. You have to watch it. That's at this point it's a must.

So, I've tried but for me I don't know. It's so good and it's so accurate. It's about the past but also about the future at the same time. It's all happening all over again. So there is I'm not gonna spoil it but there is a big company in it that people for example today they they say it's like Apple but maybe six months ago people would say that company is Microsoft or Amazon. It's in the show. It's a big company. It's kind of representative of any of these big companies. Um so they introduce a new uh technology and then the engineers engineers of that company they first know about this technology that they are introducing in the keynote.

Oh yeah. They never built it. They never and apparently there are like some things regarding what happened in WWDC last year that were exactly like that. Uh, apparently what they showed with Siri and booking a flight, I believe it was, never worked even on any test device. Apparently, the only thing that was working with the new Siri was that glowing effect, which is just a graphic effect. None of the functionality worked. And the things that they they introduced last year, they still don't work today. Uh, and apparently the engineers didn't know about these things. They were like, "Oh, cool. So, we are going to build these things in the next." Oh, so that's what that's the next year of my life.

That's what I'm going to be producing. Is it too? Spoilers. It didn't happen. They didn't build them. They still haven't gotten the chance to build them. And I don't think it's going to come out in iOS 26. It probably will be in iOS 27, if at all. So let's see let's see let's see how they get on. Um other things they announced which I haven't written in the notes there is they've introduced like a docker their own docker which is kind of random and docker is a virtual machine environment thing. Uh they introduced vibe coding into xcode which is really cool. Um and that's kind of it. I've kept my eye on some of the the developer talks after, you know, as we go through the week because it's a few days of the event.

But yeah, not not not a tremendous amount. I I think the the disappointing thing here for me is, and I won't labor on about this, is just how really they're sucking you into their ecosystem. Like they've they've done nothing to support developers who aren't part of their who aren't building apps. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. They're not helping web developers. They're not they're not supporting anyone that isn't there making their money which is pretty sad to see. And then you've got Microsoft on the other hand who are literally and we'll get into it later. They've they've sort of uh open source is the only word that's coming to mind. The the the the co-pilot hotkey on their laptop and they're they're trying to be the foundation for development.

No matter what what you're developing on doesn't matter who you're developing for, we are we're there to support you sort of thing. So yeah. Yeah. Interesting note on that. Uh they didn't do much for developers but uh a a very important uh WebKit update um a Safari update which is going to uh support web GPU. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So that's a huge that that's a big one. Well, this is about the liquid glass. Um I'll get into this. So we have WebGL for those who might not know WebGL is a technology. It's a JavaScript API in the browser. You use that to draw graphical elements. So think of any 3D website that you see.

It's rendered essentially using WebGL. But WebGL is a old technology and there is a newer one called WebGPU named very similarly. But WebGPU is up to 10 times faster. And with web web GPU, I believe if I'm not wrong, you can do multi-thread computing. So you can use utilize the graphic the graphics card on a machine. Uh and also you can do multi-threading. So that's going to speed up a lot of uh basically like crazy 3D stuff that you could do on the web. And not just that, you we can now make them for uh Safari. they will run smoother on Safari and things like this. So, it's a huge news for the web community especially those who are interested in uh creating like 3D and uh like rich experiences.

What's the What's the Well, I can we can even look like what's the support elsewhere like are we um what is it called? We web web GPU web GPU is the new technology that is going to be uh supported in Safari as well as well. I'm opening up can I use web GPU? Yeah, you can't use web GPU in uh like on iOS. doesn't work. So, we got it in Chrome, we've got it in Edge. I mean, they're saying no here, but like I guess this is what they're talking about, the technology preview. So, it's coming, but we already have it here. So, I wonder why this one's making a bit of a splash, but it's I mean, it's basically it's gaining adoption and well well if it's not available on Safari, it means it's not available on any iPhone because um this is what most people don't know.

The Google Chrome that you have on your iPhone or on your iPad, it's not Google. It's not It is from Google, but it's not Chrome. It's just Safari with Google Chrome skin on top of it. Underneath it's the Safari uh engine. So, so far WebGPU was not supported. Doesn't matter if you open it in Google Chrome on your phone or on Safari, it's the same thing. But so that's why this adoption, it's a huge one. And I see a lot of people in this space very happy with this, very excited because now they can build more crazy stuff. Yeah. Uh talking about crazy stuff that that video that I shared maybe uh you show this also.

Just a shout out. This video is so well done. I think this is a university in itself. Just 19 minutes of pure gold. They are talking about this new liquid glass but they are talking about the philosophy of it. You might like the effect or you might not like the effect. That's beside the point. What is important that how they are trying to like how they are thinking about this the thinking that goes to it the rationalization that goes to it the inspiration where it comes from. So most of these animations are coming from a physical world and that that's the magic that you can you know add that you can draw inspiration from physical world but then on top of that add a little bit of magic liquid glass.

So in physical world you can have m you can have glass and you can have liquid in digital you can mix them and now you have liquid glass. I really like the way they explain and everything they explain. Um, love it. This video, it's a really good watch. I prefer transparent primordial coos myself. I love that. I love that. That was one that was my favorite. And a lot of people in the web space uh including like us with my team have been trying to recreate these things um on the web. It's more complex than you think. Like the to give a very simple explanation, each one of these elements, they kind of see what's beneath them, but they don't just translucently show what's bene underneath.

They reflect light on the edges based on what's under them. So they see the whole screen underneath and then they based on that they refract light which is very com compute uh intensive. So to make this work on all devices and for the web and make it not very intensive is very difficult. I haven't seen anybody who has done this yet. Uh that would work everywhere in um like reasonable way. But yeah, and accessible as well because you could you could render the page on a canvas, but then you're losing access to all of and then put a shader over the top, but then you're losing all access to all the tech, you know, the text.

But yeah, because obviously this is designed for native app development. It's not designed for web. They're not these are principles for native app development. And and I agree with you like it's it's so funny. I was watching this and I was thinking it's amazing the amount of effort they've gone to to lay the foundations and support the design community in these principles. Um like yeah I just thought like it reminded me of material design that Google did and there was a whole website and it told you why the how and stuff like that. This is the meaty stuff that designers really need to um understand that something can look cool, but it's if it's got principles behind it, then you're going to have a much more just a much better time using the the design pattern.

But yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, have you seen the toggle the video? Yeah. So, my favorite quote and like tweet on that is that toggle animation is probably taking more compute than the moon landing. Yeah, probably. That's right. Let's find it. It's like it bubbles upwards. I actually don't like it. I actually don't. I think it's OTT. It's the oneird in the oneird of the video. So earlier if you Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Before that, you thing is you've watched their principles. What principle does this does are they are they justifying an an animation like that? Like what's the point? We're looking at this one here. It's it's natural. That's what they are saying.

It's coming from the physical world. Um and it's but they did that with skumorphism and then failed miserably. So I guess it's a resurgence of skuorphism. Yeah. I I don't like the toggle. I really like the idea of the slider because with that you can see where exactly the control is. When you put your finger on it, you you see underneath. Yeah, exactly there. The toggle does not make sense. The toggle makes sense when it's still within the frame. It's it's a toggle. It's inside the frame. But here it comes out and moves the It doesn't make sense. This one is quite nice, but it looks cool. But it looks cool. I think they've they've done very good at justifying something that is meant to just look cool.

So, yeah. Yeah. Oh well, there we go. But um the backlash on it has been pretty bad though, like some of the screenshots. But you know, I said it in a tweet like this is a de developer beta, not a public beta, developer beta. They they're trying to get people to use the tools to start introducing the APIs and start working with the APIs and then it's like the designers are coming in be like, "Oh, it looks like crap." It's like, yeah, but the design's probably not done even done yet. It's probably Yeah. Which is kind of weird again because they allows they they've announced these principles but like haven't fully implemented yet or haven't decided on them yet, right?

They might go back on a lot of this stuff and change it. So they probably got to re-record this video. Yeah, the market didn't really love it. Um and the memes were, you know, amazing. The meme uh there was one the the entire market and the entire industry saying give us AI Apple and Apple is liquid glasses the best we can. Yeah, it's so true. But um yeah, I'm I'm I'm interested to see what Apple will do. I was disappointed by WWDC. Like I wanted them to come forward with the AI stuff if at least that they show some sort of like partnership with with other AI because they are kicking kicking so much ass with it.

And it's like at least partake in that somehow. Here's a question. Why don't they just straight out buy anthropic? It it kind of fits it kind of fits their philosophy you know like the brand and profit thinking about it it's very they are very Appleike they are not the first to the market they try to go for the quality for safety they have this philosophical view on things uh it's very Appleike and they could easily buy them but why don't they and they are stuck with these like models that they have. It's I don't know. It's very strange. They could buy them like 10 times. Yeah. But we should have done uh Amod, what's his name?

Daria Mod. We should have spoke about him on this show because he he laid down some hard truths. But let's um let's go to an outbreak and uh I'm proud to say that we've got a supporter of the Command AI podcast. So we'll go to an outbreak and then we'll get into DIA AI browser. Support for this episode comes from Flowbase. If you are building in Web Flow, Framer, or Figma, Flowbase can help you build much faster. With over 4,000 components to choose from, you have a huge variety of wireframes and super clean, nicely designed sections that you can put together by just simply copy pasting them to your project. Over 15,000 icons as well, over a,000 illustrations.

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So, um let's talk about Dia. Yeah. So, you've have you you have you have or you haven't downloaded this? You've got it or you've not got it? So, I downloaded it. Let me say it like this. At first, I didn't want to download it. I'm bitter. I'm heartbroken. I have feelings. I love my arc. I don't want to give up my arc. I cannot. I'm I'm just emotionally too attached to my arc. And the performance is so bad. Like the performance, the battery life on my Mac has been suffering. But I love Arc with all its issues. Okay, that's very partner. So, ARC is the uh the first browser from the browser company and they they discontinued it.

They said they they are going to support it but now they are not going to support it in favor of their new baby called DIA and I did download it. I went through uh the setup. It was beautiful like the connection that they make. Yeah. It's they have taste for it, man. It's so well done. And the design, it's so clean. I mean, look look at what you what you have on your screen. It's with so much taste. I love it. I love the look. No vertical tab bars, though. Still horizontal tab. I was searching for it. I hope that they will introduce it. Do you know anything about that? I I think they're just they'll they'll probably get a lot of um feedback on that.

So yeah, because yeah, we covered it we covered it last week because Josh from the browser company was on the waveform podcast and he spoke about a lot of the ambitions of the the deer browser and a lot of the reasons why and you could tell that I think his name's David but like he David was not on you know he wasn't quite there and I think a lot of them weren't there. Um, but this is before any of them have used it. And you know, the reason why this is on the show is that I I you know, you'll see this later on in my video that I released last night. Like I definitely I struggle to see what an a what an AI browser could do.

What are we just ramming AI and all the things, which you know is surprise coming from from my mouth, but like what what could it possibly bring? And I'm I'm seeing it. I'm seeing Josh's vision for this for this thing. So, I mean ultimately I mean what can we what can we even do here? Let's let's go to um go to YouTube. Yeah, go YouTube. Yeah, go to a Yeah, I think that's a good um that's a good use. I don't know whether I'm logged in but let's very nice a nice touch that I had that everything was logged in. I didn't have to log things back back in. I used the settings from my arc and it was all logged in.

I loved that. So maybe you can go to a video maybe that waveform podcast if you can find it like and then what I would do Yeah. I would show the audience. So guys this is super cool like if you find that exact the third one. Yeah. So here you can chat with the AI and ask about specifically what did the Oh, go on. Yeah, go on. What did David say about uh killing Arc? I'm listening to this bloody advert right now. It's blaring in my ears. And I wonder if if it's working around the adverts then I guess. Well, they have um they have also ad blockers, but it doesn't block these. I don't know.

I use YouTube Premium. I've been on YouTube Premium for seven years or six or seven years now. So, yeah, I mean, you can chat with the with the video. I mean, the example I gave is I asked my own video if there's an advert in there, right? And presumably it can give you like timestamps and things like this. Um but this is like you know an I don't think this is necessarily what's interesting about this this browser. Um the example I gave is if we go to maybe I don't want to like again calendar. I spelled that right? Calendar. I use my calendar that um yeah messed it up. you can cross reference um you know tabs and things like that.

Oh god, I need to sign in and everything. But why are you signed in? For me, everything was signed in. So maybe you can just import your settings from whatever your current browser is. Um well, I don't know. So, I I I was signed in last night, but uh yeah, I don't want to dox myself, so I'm just doing it off screen now. But you I think the real magic here is that you can cross reference tabs, right? And the example I gave in my video is that I I was on my own YouTube video and I asked if I had time tomorrow to watch this video, you know. So, it looked at my calendar and said, "You've got available spot at 10:30 a.m.

This will be the best time for you to watch it." And then I asked it to add it to my calendar. Oh, bloody norm. Just got to like sign in everything now. Don't know where my phone is. Um, and yeah, so it it there's a feature coming that you can see on their uh on their what do you call it? Their promo video that they've got. It was auto browse. Auto browse. Because I wanted it to add something to my calendar. I want, you know, add this add this video to my calendar. I want to watch it later on and it can't do that yet. But I'm imagining the auto browse feature will become part of that that you can actually prompt it to start doing things and you can again this cross referencing of tabs is a really powerful way to to to utilize because everyone all tabs are mostly siloed.

what they can do is siloed, right? Um, you know, you're you're it's like an iPad. You're you're one task, you're one focus. Whereas, if you start to think, well, I can work across tabs now. You know, could it be okay, so I've just generated this bit of, you know, content or whatever in chatbt? Can you add this to my Twitter page? Can you also add it to my LinkedIn? Can you do this thing across all these browsers with and that would be probably auto agent because it needs to click buttons and stuff like that. But you can start to see how this this ecosystem around multiple tabs can be very powerful and like from a productivity standpoint.

Super powerful, right? It it is very interesting. Yes. Uh and I'm exactly trying to do this to see like if it can actually do that now. Uh, but I have to Yeah, it it can't it can't do any of that, right? But it can write for you. So, it can write an email. And what I did Yeah. And what I did I don't I'm surprised I know this is saved to be honest because maybe it's bug or something. But I went on to chat GPT and I said based on everything you know about me, describe my writing style. And then I just pasted that into personalization. And then every time it writes, it will write in my style.

You can put coding stuff in here as well. You can um I think they oh no here we go who inspires you and whatever these are all these are these are more about the responses and then these are all about the writing. So these are writing skills and then you can also this is really chugging right now I don't know why um you can also create your own skills that write every time uh you put a prompt in. So I put lex code as an example. Then you can run a prompt that will do any number of things. And I can imagine as the browser gets more powerful this prompts becomes more useful about maybe doing because I put like open uh tailwind uh documentation you know because maybe I always use tailwind and and and nextjs.

I'm just basically redoing my video for you right now. So uh you better watch it. Um I will do that. There you go. Add custom skill. So there we go. And then and now every time I go here, I can go let's code, but it runs the prompt and it doesn't do anything. So I was I I can imagine a world where it actually actions this sort of stuff, you know. Um could be any number of things. Maybe it's something you're learning. Maybe you're maybe you're learning something every single day. So it's like let's learn or whatever it is. So, you know, we won't labor on many much more about it, but it's a very interesting way to browse the internet.

Very interesting. Again, I I can't help but think that because we're working across the metaverse, I don't know why I'm bringing the metaverse into this. The metaverse didn't didn't it was supposed to be this all-encompassing thing, but everyone was then building their own metaverses and they were all saying, "Come to our metaverse. Come to our metaverse. websites are kind of the same thing. They are they do work and there are there are you know um uh integrations with other tools but it's the integrations that they choose to use but now the power is in our hands and now we can integrate our work and send it to another application and then send it to another you know we're in the power we've got the power of this multi-dimensional um task that that the supplier the SAS doesn't have access to.

So maybe this is, you know, maybe Zappy has got something to worry about here a little bit. Do you know what I mean? So um this is um this is a very interesting direction and I can't see myself actually use this because I just tried it on my screen. I cannot share it but I can describe it. I have a meeting tonight. So I just opened I just opened my emails and from that chat window I said what is my plan for tonight? And it told me, well, you have a meeting with I have a meeting with someone at Webflow. And then it told me, it gave me a bunch of information about that meeting.

And what is interesting, I don't have to like copy context from a window to another. I I don't have to copy anything from my windows to essentially what that's what I do to chat GPT to paste it in and bring it back. I can chat in the same place and I I'm doing this for the first time and I'm actually like in love with it. It's so good. Like right now I can I can confidently tell it to write a reply, give it like context even to to set the language. I can chat but it's it's not exactly in that, you know, little context. It's also not somewhere else. It's right where it should be besides it.

It's like an assistant. It's like sitting right next to it. So, it can see the full context, but it's not it's not like the Google reply. I I have like Google uh works uh whatever. I I can never use it. I've tried it multiple times to reply to an email. I cannot I cannot command it. I can't I cannot say hey explain I cannot explain something and say do it like that it comes up with the worst it it's as if it doesn't understand it it's a theory essentially it's that bad theory bad but this man it's beautiful I I I'm going to give it a try even though I'm still bitter at them for I I it will be hard to trust them again because you know But he Josh makes a good point on the podcast and that he says you don't expect any, you know, groundbreaking updates from Safari every year or or Chrome or whatever.

Like you expect it to get like minor updates. It's like I think they've just slowed that pace of major feature development, you know, introducing new things. And if anything, no one's using the newer stuff they've introduced. Like how much of ARC are you actually using? Like it's it's not going anywhere. It's still going to be a browser that they keep around. No, they are not like supporting it uh actively like it's it's getting worse and it's not you know being wellmaintained. I think that's a different subject. I think that's potentially that they need to they need to sort they they need to sort that out like if they are if they want he described Josh describes it as they've always imagined them having a portfolio of products and if they want to maintain their user base on arc then they need to at least make sure it's running you know ship shape.

Yeah. So a very important feature for me is the command shift C to copy the current URL. Right. So they have this in DIA. Correct. So So the only other thing that I need in DIA is vertical tabs. Then I'm I'm all good. Nothing in settings? No, I haven't checked actually. But if they have vertical tabs, I'm I'm going to move to DIA. I just Yeah, I have Chrome still. I use it sometimes, but I just can't go back to horizontal tabs because I have like you should have seen my old tweets. I have not kidding 200 plus tabs open all the time. I just needed I just I just need I I have a big context window.

I just cannot let go of the context. Fair enough. Yeah. What Mac do you have? Because my my Mac is like chugging at all this stuff I've got running at the moment. I I have M1 Pro. So, this is like the old one with 32 gigabytes. I'm I'm okay with it. As long as I restart the Mac every other day or so, it's fine. Uh the biggest pain is not Arc, it's Figma because I have multiple projects and I Yeah, do those are painful. Yeah. Well, DIA, give it a try. If you are an ARC user, you automatically have DIA. can download it. Use the same email uh as the one you used for ARC so you can access it.

If you are not an ARC user, DIA is not available unless you get a referral uh code like an invitation, which I assume we have. I don't know where it is, but we should have one. That's funny because I'm an ARC I've got an ARC account, right? I'm an ARC user, but I had to get a referral code and that's how I got access to it. No, I got it just using the same email. I put a referral code in the chat, but I I mean my video went out yesterday and um it might be done. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to add one here in the chat as well. So guys, if you if you need it, here it is.

But uh so in the screen share, well, it's saying all that. I'm asking what computer you have and I'm literally running like OBS. I'm running um everything under the sun right now. So that might be something to do with it. But um what should we chat about now? We kind of we're kind of uh getting into the I don't know 03 price drop is the next Yeah. All right. Wow. I mean does what it says on the tin to be honest. 03 is at a massive So 03 was very expensive. like I wouldn't even entertain the idea of um trying to actually this is a tweet towards um cursor having it and but it was crazy maybe 01 was obviously the most expensive but it was it was expensive and they've managed to give it an 8% price drop which is very very welcome.

It's a really good model. It's not great for coding or at least it's it's such a slow model like people have been I think I think a message saying hi I'm Sam Alman took three minutes to reason with it. So it it's an incredibly incredibly smart um model but it's also incredibly slow. So you need to you know you need to be know what you're you're using it for. I watched a video just before this um this this stream of a of a guy kind of bouncing around with the idea of well it's really powerful if you give it a lot of information but by giving it a lot of information you're you're swallowing up the context window what is the context window let's try and find out what the context open searching is there like a website where you can for sure there are I've seen some uh Theo is showing do you know any of those.

Yeah, I just saw it there. So 03 open router will be the best place to look. So you've got 03. Oh, they went and got 03. Oh, there's 03 there. Right. So 200,000 context. So it's it's not the smallest, but it's also not a million, you know. So it's yeah, if you're if you're using bring your own API key. So, it's still it's still pretty pricey. Talking $2 by $8, but not as um not as pricey as it once was. So, yeah. I mean, use it. Use it. But they also introduced 03 Pro, which is kind of a replacement. And I mean, this is even more expensive. This is $20 with $80. Uh $20 in, $80 out.

Um so this is Yeah. This is the new bad boy in town. Yeah. And and I think the the point to make here because we've obviously got 04 mini, right? So this just starts to get really confusing and you've got 4.1 and all this sort of stuff. These are the these are good for coding, I think. I mean, I'm not I'm more I'm on um claw code at the moment, so whatever. But so 04 is kind of like the next generation, but they only release this kind of lower tier. It's kind of like the M series. Like we've got the M4. We've got the M3 Ultra. Yeah. But we're on M4 now. We're on M4 Pro and M4 Max.

So they've not yet released the M4. Exactly. Ultra. So this is why we're getting a bit confused here. But it's a good model. you know if that's what if you're doing I think if you're doing research papers and things like that you need to produce like some heavyduty researchbased um you know whatever then 03 is probably the way to go but not I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for for coding however I would recommend 2.5 Gemini 2.5 for coding because this is just We Claude 4 was released last week and then this takes it again in the sweet benchmarks for have I have I got it here. Um maybe it's in this one. Not too sure.

But it overtook Claude 4 in the three benchmarks. So it's um amazing for code. Uh leading the webdev arena leaderboard as well. 40% reduction in function calling error rates which is pretty handy. Um 63.8 on the threebench um verified coding benchmarks and it's basically a score of 14,043.22 whereas Claude for Opus which is pretty insane um scored a mere 1,411. So it's okay. It's I want to get some uh I want to get some nice visuals up for you. Let's try this one here. Um or we get the web dev arena board. I'll just search web de web web dev arena board. So I'm looking forward to getting back on this once I've done I'm using core code at the moment and using chord 4.

Once I'm off that, I'm getting back on. What are you gonna do? Um, yeah. See, look at this internet. Am I still Am I still, you know, at the at the mercy of Cloudflare right now? This is just crazy. Here we go. What we were just talking about. If you can read that, increase it. So, it's really it's a battle for this top spot. Uh, really is a battle for this top spot. But, yeah, Gemini 2.5 Pro takes the lead. And it's only a month after They took the first lead. Do you know what I mean? It's crazy. What are the type of tests that um are being run here? God knows. Jesus Christ. God knows.

I think um I think they are and and this is what the the uh thing from Apple kind of states is that these tools are it's like the Volkswagen thing where they are built to do really well at these tests. So, are they truly amazing? That's why you've got to use them and actually see the real world kind of you responses of these things and see it for yourself and and and they've got to work for your coding style, you know. They've got to they've got to be good at and memories will help with this with um cursor and and things like that, but these these might be built just to score nice high arena scores, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. But I think I do think these are public though. I think I think these are public voting mechanisms. Just go through there. God, I hate all of the products that um Google have. So you can see these votes here. Yeah. So yeah, who knows? We we should we should look into that, I think. Yeah. Um, similarly, Mistrol and there's another cool insider thing here about uh, Windows that I mentioned at the beginning of the the stream. So, Mistro have launched a coding assistant which is a private enterprise coding assistant, private beta um, for Jet Brains and and VS Code basically, you know, whatever cursor winds surf and stuff like that. So, they've released the coding assistant and I I feel like the these guys are open source.

I think they're French. Um, and it it was it was interesting because they released it the same day as uh Windows allowed you to customize the Windows key, the C-pilot Windows key, which again, if you've only just joined, like Windows are there just supporting the developer ecosystem and even, you know, that in some ways is locking you into their ecosystem. But now they've open sourced that if you can call it that or you know allowed you to customize it and uh you know I'm guessing we're not Windows users here but guessing you attach co-pilot and then it opens up you know Windows co-pilot but now you could probably just customize that to do whatever it just becomes a hotkey don't know um but it's it's really interesting and they've also released maybe it's in this article or not I'm not too sure but they've also released their own coding um models as well.

Uh what was it called? Co or ma magistrol actually they've released Magestro small and medium and they've got their own two coding things which is propri code straw and devstrol. So going back to open router I wonder what the sort of prices are. We're looking at these things. Um I have a feeling they're open source and very cheap and they're doing really well. I think I saw someone uh using these things and they are doing pretty faking well. Yeah. So 10 and 30 cents. These these ones are a little bit more expensive. I'm just looking here if you can read that. And then this one's a bit more. Is it code straw? Not too sure.

There you go. So pretty cheap models as well. So I I actually want to give those a go. But regardless, Max Mraw entering the chat with regards to their pretty pretty decent coding models. Yeah, the the biggest European model this is and this is an attempt also in Europe to basically not um what's it called like Europe has not yeah has not been doing well that would be an understatement uh yeah which which we've got like legislations to battle against you know we've what was it That's one of the things that there is no infrastructure and the the legislations are also very different like the the way you can get talent is very different like uh in the US it's much easier for companies to to bring talent in you know from India there are like a huge you know it's also culturally um different so that there there are a lot of geniuses there so it's much easier for the US to get do and in Europe it's just much more difficult and once you also get people in here it's I know it's like a hot topic also to talk about it's very polarizing but it's about also the working times like in uh in the US they work a lot of people work over time and companies are kind of like more allowed to ask uh staff to work longer but in Europe it's very strict it's very hard to let your staff work more than uh 40 hours a week even you know it's paid but they just you you cannot expect that from people one side the also the the European mindset uh also they a lot of people don't want to work more they yeah they they want the the work life balance uh I'm not having anything against that but I personally don't have that and I like it the way it is.

We love what we do. That's the thing, right? I think that's the that's that's the constant battle that I have. I just love what I do. Yeah. I have to force myself to like not pick up my phone and do Exactly. It's like, what are you doing? Why are you working? It's like they Some people think I'm like being forced. I'm like, bro, I'm like working with people that I really like. I I I love my teammates. Right. Right. I I if if I don't talk to them, I miss them. So I'm I'm not like, you know, being forced to work. I'm just chatting with them about cool We are like sending liquid ass to each other like constant.

Say that again. Bleep that out. Right, Simon? Edit that out. We're sending liquid glass uh effects to each other like constantly. Not because we work because like this is what excites us and in Europe it's really difficult to you know navigate in that area and like work work longer hours. So yeah Europe is behind like saying that we haven't even noted it down but it's it's juicy news. It's kind of not really web focused, but um Zuckerberg, he's he's he's trying to pull together the dream team of web development off the back of Llama 4, just kind of not really hitting the mark and like delays and things like that. He's willing to pull together a dream team.

He's offering nine figure salaries for those who come forward who are just, you know, the best of the best when it comes to AI. Nine figures. So what's like hundreds of million? Oh no, no, it's hundreds of millions. Yeah. You know, eight figures would be 10 million. Uh to 99 and 89 would be Yeah. 100 million to a year. A year. Yeah. To 999 million. So it's almost a billion. That That's insane. I mean that you can see why the incentives there, you know, if they could if they could take the lead. thing is he is he's battling with their reputation. You know, people like this is a this is a privacy war before people I don't I doubt people even know Meta even have an LLM, you know.

Um and then and then Facebook want to come out and say, "Hey, we've got the best chatbot." Like, "No, thank you. We're already pretty scared about, you know, whatever." So, yeah. Yeah. Have you seen Have you I don't know if it's relevant in a way or not, but uh I just got a notification yesterday on my Instagram that you're because I have a public account and also a business account if it makes sense or creator account. Yeah, it's very I have like a billion different account. Uh but I got a notification that your content now will be indexed by search engines and I in yeah Instagram accounts that means also my reals because that's one of the main issues Instagram has had for years that the content that you create there is just a momentary thing.

on YouTube it's an evergreen thing especially if your content is not just some news it will be searchable indexable and uh YouTube is the second biggest search engine which is crazy after Google um and now Instagram stuff yeah Instagram stuff they will be what you create there will be indexable that means the content that you create is not going to be buried under you know the other content that you or others create it will be there it will be searchable and if you've got it public right because obviously you can set your stuff to private yeah of course of course that I I I assume it's you it has to be public and also some sort of like business or creator account because you can be public account but not be a a business or a creator account with creator account I know that you have more analytical tools so you see like how and when people interact with your content.

So, and I don't know if that plays a role there with maybe AI. Are they opening up or are they I don't know exactly but uh that is also but back to uh Mark Zuckerberg nobody trusts him right and he's been in this battle to look cool to rebrand himself to make people like him he appears on Joe Rogan he does like a bunch of things uh I don't know if people like actually like like him. It's not like it it was almost recent that um he knew about the books that they downloaded from Torrent. They straight like they uh stole books like books that you have to buy. They they stole it to train their AI.

Oh my god. And and they knew about it's not that they they and yeah it's torrent. You don't do torrenting by, you know, by accident. Oops, I I torrented a billion books. No, you It's a pain in the ass. Pain in the ass to torrent. Trust me, they did that. So they they Yeah, they stole they literally stole like if I do this in Europe, if I use torrent in Europe, my providers if I don't I don't use I don't torrent, okay? What if I do? Um I I know a friend of mine who did and he got a €2,000 euro fine. Yeah, in Germany. Crazy. Yeah, that should be that surely would have been like countrywide news because that doesn't happen a lot.

Yeah, I mean it I I saw it in the news, but I don't know if people stopped caring about Mark, I guess, because he's he does this all the time. But do you think we are part of a bubble here? Do you think the the normal person even knows who Mark Zuckerberg is enough? Like do you think it's just Facebook has it doesn't matter who's behind it, what they're doing. Like just Facebook has a reputation for not being the most honest and yeah harvesting your data. Like do you know any company that is less honest than Facebook? less honest than Facebook. Probably not. Probably not. Which says a lot even like thinking about it. Yeah, that that says a lot.

But yeah, what is the question? Like is it a bubble that what? I don't know. I just I'm just saying like as in like are we are we so focused on Mark Zuckerberg and his whole rebrand image? Like is this just like a little bubble of people who actually care about this this CEO? Most people don't know him. Yeah. Most people most people just Yeah, because Facebook has billion probably billions, right? Users. Yeah. Even Instagram has two billion. Like I think Facebook and Isn't there only eight billion in the world? Am I Am I? Yeah. Yeah. Uh I think Facebook and Instagram together they have three billion. That's wild. That's wild. But um yeah, so no question just just this idea that uh there's a big issue that we're seeing of people don't like the security aspect or lack thereof when it comes to uh AI and then are Facebook primed to actually build the dream team?

Is this going to be a wasted effort? You know, because the moment they see Facebook or Meta attached to it, I don't know. Yet to be seen. Yeah. Uh, so I just Googled I'm being careful with my I'm like selectively using these word. I just Googled Instagram and Facebook user count and then I'm getting an answer from the Google AI. So I'm not going to the links. I'm not clicking anywhere. I'm just reading the summary from uh the Google AI. I believe like Gemini. So uh as of the most recent data, Facebook has approximately 3.07 billion monthly active users. Active users, you know. Well, yeah, that makes a lot. Yeah. Three billion people almost half of the half of Earth is on like Facebook.

and think of like the the parts part parts of the the world that doesn't have internet and also like we have a lot of like kids who are not on the internet yet but yeah uh talking about also uh parts of the world getting internet I know this is not super relevant but Space X I believe they did like 500 um missions that's half of the entire like um like missions that combined in the world like they did like 50. That's crazy. Because they're constantly sending up satellites, right? Exactly. So they have they added a few new million users. I need to also search that. So Starlink is growing like crazy. And I think like Starlink by far is my favorite thing about like among everything Elon Musk has done.

Starling is like the I I believe is one of the coolest if not the coolest. It is cool. I wish I I I I was tend to buy a bit of Starink. I'll be honest. When they launched it, I was like, but it's just so expensive and it's not for me, you know. No, it it's it's not like too expensive for especially what it does. So, right, I'm here paying €50 for my intern and my internet is really good. Um uh Starlink is about €70. So it is more expensive. It is less uh this it's slower but it's not it's not slow. It's slower because I have a gigabit internet and Starlink gives you about like 200 300 megabits.

So it's not slow. But it's not for you though. It's not for inner city people who have internet options, right? It's for rural, you know, if you are in the middle of somewhere or if you have a van and you go around a lot. Well, they didn't allow that first, did they? Then they had to open up the subscription. Well, uh so to be exact, uh you have two options in in that category. One is stationary like you use it where you register it like your address. Uh but the moment you want to activate it somewhere else then you have to pay extra because now you're roaming and they have also different satellites uh like different dishes if you want to use it on the go.

I don't know like the normal versions if they you if you can use them on the go or not but I know that they are also they don't draw a lot of power. Uh so yeah it's a it's an incredible product. There's a really really good video uh um what is that channel? I think it's like something with engineering. They animate and explain like tech with like incredible precision how Starlink works. I'm going to just Google that and add it. It's it's such an incredible video about the engineering of it because and inside of that dish there are like I believe like hundreds of coils like small coils and they uh form an a beam to follow the the satellites in the orbit.

So the dish it has a motor. So it like some models they rotate but just to get in position and then they stay in position. They don't move. It's just the coils that form the beam that move. Yeah. It's incredible. They warm up as well and when it gets too cold so it melts the snow off the Exactly. off the face of the dish. Exactly. What the dish is called? Dishy Mcflat Face or something like that. Um, no. Fish face. I don't know. There was like a There was a Boaty McBboat face uh competition. There was like the public could name the boat and the winner was Boat McBoat Face or something ridiculous like that.

And then I think there was a similar sort of, you know, thing that happened with the Dishy McDish face or something. I don't know. Yeah. So, I'm just gonna add it to the chat. So, if people want to, they can. Okay. What should we We We're coming up a time. What? We've We've kind of uh We've got a few little things here, but do are we are we excited by these? You want to chat about these? We got We can We can blitz them. So, yeah. Uh go go for it. I have one thing to ask at the end. It's okay. I'll I'll blitz these and then well actually this one this is why I was confus this is why I was wondering whether we should bring it up.

So this because this this involves a bit of a topic you know but this idea that Andrew or NG whatever I'm not sure how you how you say it correct me in the comments. Uh vibe coding an unfortunate term for a deep intellectual exercise. And I was looking into this who this guy is. He basically heads uh Google Mind I think it's called or something. Not Deep Mind actually. I've got it here. Um Google Brain, that's the one. Google Brain. And he's talking about like Vibe Coding and whatever and saying actually, you know, and then he goes into saying about AI assisted coding. And this is something I'm trying to, you know, educate my audience and and all the rest of it around this difference between vibe coding and AI assisted coding.

And I think I do think I do think uh vibe coding is is it's not a deep intellectual exercise. That's not the point of vibe coding. I think he's got his semantics a bit confused here in that vibe coding by its very nature is as Andre Kapasi said he's phrased in he's you know you forget that the code even exists you know saying all that and I want to make a video on this as about um creating um uh product requirements PD in order to create better prompts basically for the for the AI to to to work better. That could be described as a deeply intellectual exercise, but not to the point of understanding the system, which is what AI I believe AI assisted coding is.

Again, I've either got a video or a video is coming out on this. Oh, it has come out. It's already been released. No, no, it's released tomorrow. Look out for that. Um, this idea of what is the difference? What what are we what are we talking about here? And I I believe AI assisted coding is you're using AI to uh reason about code and get it to it's in the name assist you with what you want to do. And yeah, you're just using AI to to do that. Whereas vibe coding in its in its nature is not thinking about the code, writing, you know, for lack of a better word, a dumb prompt and getting what you want out of it.

And it's very fun and it's very can be very rewarding. I know people who produce great products through vibe coding. So I think he's missed the mark on this to be honest. Andrew, I think you missed the mark on this. I know what he's trying to say. He doesn't want to undermine that AI coding with AI is always this vibe, you know, uh way of doing things. Yeah. But truthfully, leave vibe coding where it is. Let that gain its own reputation. But respect that there is this form of coding that requires a lot of deep intellectual thought and knowledge on how systems work and we can use AI to help us do that. So that's my rant that's my TED talk.

Thanks for coming. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. There was an interesting and just a side note, there was an interesting thing that came up on my LinkedIn earlier today which some guy was saying about how some one should learn web flow and he talked about that you need to learn the fundamentals of web development, how the browser renders things, what HTML is and blah blah blah blah blah. And it was a really, you know, thorough and you respectable post, but I said said a comment. I said I disagree. Um I I wish it was about learning the fundamentals. I wish it was about understanding what's going on and and all the rest of it.

But truthfully, I think when you first pick up web development, it's about having fun. I think this is why people gravitate towards web development because they can write a few lines of code or copy and paste a few lines of code and then see it in the browser and then make a change and then they see it in the browser. It's not like application development where you can you you know you got to compile it and you wait for it. you got to have servers all this web development is so fun because it's so it's that instant feedback loop which you get and I argued that I think it's about finding your passion for web development before diving into a six-hour bloody foundational tutorial and s you know doing all that sort of stuff when at the end of it you might be like nah not for me you know go out there and have fun yeah 100% agree yeah yeah I'm glad you're on my side yeah we had this in university I mean I I I studied computer science 12 years ago.

Uh I didn't do much with it, but I remember we had C and we had to basically take some numbers and do some operations on them. To my geeky, you know, nerdy head, it was kind of fun, but it was not all that fun because I still like visuals. But web development especially like after starting using web flow for me it was all about how easy it is relatively easy to to draw some rectangles get some movement done and make it beautiful and have it shipped like ship it very easily like with a press of a button I publish I don't have to like care I don't care about hosting how to bundle things these things are easy to do for a senior developer.

But if you are a junior to think about like how to set up a project and how to bundle things and how to you know not have it on only on local host to to share it with people that takes quite a while. But with something like workflow you just get in new project then you get into making the you know whatever that you make and then publish it. And in the in the middle that that's where web flow is targeting. in the middle. You have fun, you get result as you said, you see something really fast and what I add to it is that you can potentially also start earning from it really fast, right?

And then the the development part is what comes next because next thing you you are just adding a div block but next thing you ask what is a div block and oh there are different HTML tags. Oh, I can add any HTML tag in web flow. I can like use a custom element. What are like other things uh in there? So now now you you open the door into like development where you don't just you know add things and uh animate them with with the web flow animation engine but you can introduce code and do like complex stuff. you can get information from the user, send it somewhere, do something like all of a sudden it's extremely fun.

I vip coded um with web flow. So web flow claw with with web flow and um cursor I just vipcoded kind of like a weather application. Um I I did it a while ago but that was my first attempt at doing something with weather. I know a lot of like junior um developers maybe like they do this as one of their first projects. So I did this in a 20 minutes uh while I was in a call and it gave me a lot of joy because I could change the visuals you know like visually I could do it inside of web flow and just using a few attributes bind the data to it. So it was that that for me is the sweet spot.

Yeah, for sure. And you you know you are going to get people who who develop no interest in wanting they just want to grab a quick paycheck and they just want to build a website. They don't care if there are 20 billion divs that make up a header. You know you will still get those people but there there that's with any industry and that's just human nature in general. You're going to get the coasters and every sing every single person can say probably point out a coaster in in their particular bit of work. And then you've got the true artisans who really care about what they do, want to do, and they're going to rise, you know, they're going to shine and they're going to do the best in their career.

So, it's like, you know, yes, it's frustrating to see that, oh, why don't you understand what HTML does and why don't you have a proper heading structure and your documents and all this kind of stuff, but letting go of those people because they're that they're going to they're going to coast and and more power to them if they can earn a buck while creating shitty websites, then then whatever. But yeah, anyway, um there was one thing that he said as well. Um but I forgotten. Never mind. Let's let's move on. Yeah. Uh well, last one. Last one and then then we'll wrap up, right? Um so basically it's uh really embarrassing. Well, actually I think it it's the conversation on a much broader topic which is that Anthropic had like a blog and it was like I'm going to I'm going to dumb this down quite a lot but that it was an AI generated blog and it got um it was a month of it which is actually I was thinking of this most of our articles most of my research is done through perplexity.

I might might hear about it somewhere, but then I'll look on perplexity just because it brings in so many different um topics and things like that, but Claude Anthropic tried this AI blog thing and it basically did not live up to the hype of what they say because Claude is actually used and I'm starting to use it more for writing now. Claude is good for good for writing. Whether it's good for information gathering is another topic altogether, but it's good for maybe creative writing. and it was just wasn't hitting the mark basically. And I think this just brings into the conversation which we've kind of mentioned a few times on this episode is like the transparency of like what is AI and what is not AI.

I think this whilst the writing may not have been it might the the writing might have been good. I don't know. I didn't read anything. I think it it treads carefully along this line of like well do I want to be reading stuff that's AI generated? Do I want to? How much can I trust this thing that's AI generated? Is it hallucinating? Is it just is there bias involved in it? Because there is bias and that's one thing a lot of these AI companies need to fight against. So I think it just brings into this discussion around transparency. And you were you weren't here last week, but we spoke about a new synth ID, I think it's called, that Google have developed, and it's a way of identifying when when video is AI generated, but it's a key locking key system.

So you need to apply it. It needs to be applied to a video to then to be able to say this is AI generated or whatever. But you know I think all you can do is mention something's AI generated and then you the systems then have to like integrate that or or whatever. But it's an interesting it's an interesting debate that kind of came off of this pretty embarrassing um shutting down of a of a a blog that they they tried. Win some lose some. Yeah. What was your um So that's the news. What was your question? All right. So maybe um all that I wasn't even sharing my screen, mate. You didn't tell me I wasn't sharing my screen.

Yeah. Gosh damn it. I was highlighting things and you know uh transparency issues here. Gosh, my bad. I was preparing for the next point. You were just in your own little world, weren't you? Yeah. Gosh. Anyway, so you can open the the the tweet maybe. Have you sent me a tweet? Have you sent me something or what? Just in the notion, doc. The last uh point. Oh, okay. Uh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So, this is a very interesting Are you going off pie? Are you Are you throwing a curve ball? I'm going to look at the I'm going to look at this before I land. Look, my internet is so slow. I'm still like waiting for this to load.

Look. Oh, no. You're not allowed to watch it yet. It's not your Okay, we go. So, it's a Theo tweet. I saw this actually. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you still paying 20 bucks a month for chat GPT when three T3 chat is only eight bucks a month? Uh, this I thought is a very interesting question. This is also kind of relevant to what you have. Jupiter chat shout out. How much is Jupiter Chat? Six pounds. Yeah. So, it's kind of even less expensive. I don't know. Yeah. Well, well, it's a it's a great product. Um I I signed up, but I I got to admit I'm not using it, and that's what I'm going to talk about.

I I signed up for T3 Chat as well. I have an account. I I think I prompted something but I don't use any any of these let's say third party in a way. I don't want to call it a wrapper. Mhm. Mhm. It's a third party provider of you know uh a AI tools but I'm just using chat GPT even though with chat GPT I'm just getting open AI models. If I use Jupiter chat I would have access to all the models not just from the the ones from uh OpenAI. So my answer to this was my tweet is also there. Uh oh gosh here we go. just going to where where are you? I I can read it.

Uh okay. Yeah. What were you saying? My answer was mobile and Mac app. I want my assistant everywhere and super accessible also. Not sure if you have all the features chat GPT has projects. So that's essentially folders voice mode u dictation etc things like this. So this is the question maybe towards you as well and I think this is relevant to what we discussed with D uh with Dia the browser and I felt that Dia answered this tweet. I used uh I I tweeted before using DIA, right? Uh so all of this happened before I opened up DIA. And when I opened up DIA, I noticed here is like all the context that I need everywhere where I need it without me jumping constantly between places.

So that was a very important moment. Not to mention, you know, having apps and things like this uh really helps having allin-one ecosystem. Just to and I'll get back to that. So, just to say I you can read this tweet two ways. You can read it as quite defensive of like why are you paying $20 a month for Chad GBT when you can pay for this? Or you can you can read it as a very wellplaced um market research tweet. Why are you still paying? You know, and this is really valuable. And I sent Theoier a tweet this morning actually because he had someone tweet him saying, "Can you I like your videos, but can you make them under 10 minutes?"

And my response was like, "When one, when did you know people feel like they could just tell people what to do and how they should run their their YouTube channel?" It's like, I'm just out here putting videos out. Like, why are people taking it so faking seriously? But but two it's like it's feedback like this is so good like you know he's able to answer them he's able to consider stuff we're working on it and all the rest of it. So like really good mechanism for getting um feedback. I think Theo is somehow this magician for you know uh infiltrating the the what do you call it the municipal and uh getting getting good responses from things.

But saying that, what was your what was your question? What's your what are you proposing? What are you um where all of this you where do you see all of this going? Because T3 chat is one app. uh as you know I have my own kind of like uh API using open router on my own domain uh you know giving it to my teammates but I don't use it myself to be honest because I I want this continuity which is a very Appleike mindset and people coming from Android uh I guarantee they don't they don't know it I didn't know it coming from Android and Windows until I got into Apple, I'm like, this continuity is just priceless.

Yeah. Being able to I I don't have to reexplain stuff. Um having just knowing that the app that I'm chatting with has the context and I don't have to actively restate things. Uh I can just go on on a kind of like a conversation. It's still not that magical moment. Um, but I'm interested to know like what you think. Do do you think like these apps and I know like there there is some biases here. You have a business there, but how do you see it moving forward? What type of f uh f future do you envision? Two things, right? First of all, and we've mentioned this already, there are so many different uses for AI.

There are so many different like you have your way of using it, someone else has their way of using it and some people want you know they just want chatbt and that's it and they want to play at 20 bucks or whatever. Um, I think this is what Johnny Ivan, Sam Alman are trying to solve. This everpresent AI device that can be with you because I'm with like sometimes I I want I honestly I just want us I want to activate voice mode so much. I just want it to be around me all the time and so I could just ask questions and do this and do that. Obviously, there's a huge privacy thing here, but I do I I agree with you.

I think it need I think what we what we both want is just we want we want to be a cyborg. We want to be this thing that has AI just on us all the time, able to pick up on things and and and bring things into the context um of what we're currently doing. I think someone said uh on interview I was re watching this morning which is um the way we speak I speak to you differently to what I speak to my family and having something that can understand that context that all happens in here is what the dream is right you don't want it to you know again like yeah you don't want it to be doing things or saying things or giving you information that that is wrong in the wrong context because in your mind you can think, "Oh, I I I you know, I need to phrase things a bit more.

I need to tell a little white lie cuz I'm with my grandma and all the rest of it, you know." So, I I'm with you. Like, I think that there there's still going to be chat apps. I think this is a nice way to um again just compartmentalize the AI usage, but I I want to be just constantly tapped into to AI. Like I'm I always have things like I always have thoughts of like why is that like that? Why is that thing like that? Why has it been you know I had I literally had it thought I was in the kitchen. I can't remember any more than that but I was like why is why is it always done like this or something like that?

And um yeah it's it I don't know but I think that's what Johnny Ivan and Sam Alman are trying to trying to figure out. Or maybe they figured it out and they just they're just trying to they're testing it. I don't know. Maybe we'll find it on a bar stool in uh California, San Francisco. Yeah. You know, so whenever there is a new technology like these uh big players or like companies that are essentially defining history, they find a way to like opinionize if it if it's a right word here or like they are they have their own or their own opinions for how that technology should be used. I mean that's essentially what Sue Jobs did, right?

with smartphones uh or even with the UI and Mac. He had this vision for how that should be designed and de it's not it wasn't based on user surveys. It wasn't based on user research of okay what what a computer should be. People didn't know what a computer is. How can they decide what it should be? Like if you would ask uh Nokia owners what their next Nokia should do, they'd probably say fly because the the the Nokia at that time, they would open in three different ways. And the there was one the bottom side would rotate 45 degrees for no good reason. And the other one there was one that they had the camera on the side literally.

So it was kind of like these bizarre mixtures of different gadgets coming together. But then there was one specific company having a specific view on how that should be and that was iPhone. And now if you look at all the phones out there, they are all essentially just iPhones, right? you know, this clean slate and even the UI, a lot of it is still the things from that era. So, it kind of solidified in a specific direction. So, I always love this idea of alternative universe. All of this could be in a completely different way, right? Yeah. Phones could have been, I don't know, circular. I don't know. whatever they they didn't have to be what they are.

It just solidified the entire industry went this way and now it is what it is. I think what we are witnessing is the same thing with AI. Uh there are different companies having different visions trying to see what or trying to actually like solidify the idea that they have for how we should be using AI. We see the browser company redefining how browsing is. We have Apple how they are like bringing everything in to to the phone with their their uh ondevice you know uh models. So I think that is very fascinating and I constantly think about it. How will it end up being? I don't know. But we're going back right back to the beginning of this discussion is like AI is so many different things.

And that's the we're trying you're you're you're trying to say like how would we what's the one solution for AI? Like what how is this all going to converge? But this is the first thing that's so it's machine learning, right? It's so such a um foundational thing to the eventual product. So many rappers are on top of AI before it gets to a product. So it's it's a universe waiting to explore and we're going to we're going to have we're going to have um these innovations because this is what we call it, right? You're going to have these innovations that it's going to exist in uh aerospace and and planes. I think planes is a very very interesting place um for technology to exist.

It's it's stagnant yet so much opportunity is there. Um these innovations are going to happen but they're going to be backed by AI and because it's again because it's so foundational AI might not even be might not even exist in that innovation. It might well sorry let me take that back. It's going to exist but it's not going to be like the you're not even going to know it's AI. It's just it's been done something's been done to AI in such a way where it's just maybe it's a self-replicating maybe it's maybe it's humans are not humans but like robots are born because of self-replication of a I don't know but like it is an amazing thought to ponder like where are we where are we going with this and I think fundamentally that's why I'm so excited about it and why I've just gone balls deep in in the in the AI stuff because just there's there's just so much and I keep going back to it this idea that AI has too many different things.

Like there are instances where it sucks and I agree that it sucks but there are other instances where it is groundbreaking and it's changing people's lives that probably some people don't even know even exists, you know, and they're shunting AI and it's like, well, it's going to save your granny's life one day, so don't don't be too upset with it. Yeah, I agree. It in different fields definitely. Yeah, it will be kind of like something as you said, you won't even see it. My question was more towards to I I think I didn't um I didn't say this like clearly. So, I just embarrassed myself there, haven't I? No, no, no, no, no. It was uh it it was no your I agree with your answer like for different uh areas but what I mean what I meant was more in an OS shape and assistant kind of type of way.

So because this is thinking about it a lot of companies they have this view of assistant um that is this future assistant that will help you with different things. So again DIA thinks this in a way in a browser but Apple thinks this will be on a device. So it won't be you know in a brow it will be like but at the end of the day all of these are different assistants and I'm not sure if we will have all of these different assistants. That's what I'm saying. We will probably have just a few just like Android and uh iOS. Maybe not just two. I hope it's not just two. We we should have like more options to choose from but we will this is definitely like the direction that these companies are trying to go an OS or like assistant type of like AI that can help you with different things navigating the world that is from learning to getting things done if it's coding or writing um doesn't matter or just like ask a question how to clean something.

Um, yeah. Yeah, that would be the dream, right? That you just you we don't have to choose, right? It's just it's just AI is AI and it's converged and there's there's probably an exponential graph somewhere on the the there's probably some theory out there on on how how can we realistically expect AI should we realistically expect AI to plateau at some point where the gains are so marginal because that I didn't get it we didn't find a graph for it but there is a I think there's a an int some graph some intelligence thing and whatever humans come out at something like 86% on this graph, right? So, just bear with me because I've got like visuals to support this.

AI is at something like 64 or something like this, 74. We are 80. So, we're not even at 100 or whatever it is. But there is just so much like there must be a point where you literally the energy you spend for the AI is just it's it's completely I don't know. I don't have the the vernacular to describe it, but it's just you cannot get any more from this AI right now. You can. So there must be a limit and at that point all of these AIs are going to reach that limit. It's kind of like who's the first to reach it. So I wonder like again, you know, it will be who cares which one to use.

Yeah. There is a ceiling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. especially when they can self sort of replicate and they can modify their own code and things like that like you know maybe maybe a uh an AI will figure out how to enter itself into the fourth dimension because it's learning I don't know whatever but anyway the point of no return the event horizon if I may singularity whatever I I don't think we are getting even like close to that but if you ask companies like Anthropic and others they strongly believe that we are super close to creating super intelligence and but maybe intelligence is going to be one of those things that's very much rejected at some point because intelligence is is good for what?

If you can't if you can't do anything if you can't physically do anything with that intelligence what good is it for? If you can't if you can't love, what's the point? You know, if you can't love um you know what what it's all well and good being super like I've always used this analogy. It's like I don't value intelligence too much, right? Because intelligence for for the better part is mostly just remembering things. People mistake actually no I I value intelligence. That's wrong. But people confuse intelligence with remembering things, right? You can remember a bunch of facts, remember a bunch of words and call it intelligence. Whereas I think intelligence is being able to completely um think outside the box to make assessments based on completely disperate bits of data and or information and and create something new and completely original from it.

That to me is like intelligence. So we all have these different different definitions. But I guess my point is will we value intelligence if it if it becomes so ubiquitous and everyone has it? It's like well everyone's everyone can find out anything at any point right now. So we don't care. Yeah. I mean we kind of had this already with the internet. Anybody could access any piece of information. Mhm. But now what we have is kind of like compute also because they can compute and they can you know output something like some code that you can do something with it. Uh still very you know little but who knows how it will be. Uh I have a funny story to end end it all with.

Okay cool. I had a white I had a stain on my white a white t-shirt and I asked Chad GPT I took pictures I talked to Chad GPT and I washed it like I believe like three different times and I couldn't get the stain away. Uh I I used different materials. I I did everything Chad GPT was suggesting me. I literally I was dealing with this like for two whole days and then I was like why am I not just asking my mom? So, I just asked my mom and she just said, "Have you tried to put it like out uh under the sun for a few hours? It will just go away." And I did and it just went away.

This thing was like, "Mom GBT." Mom beats GPT. So, yeah. With that, uh, it's time to go out some grass. It's so nice outside. So, I've got I'm going to go for a drink with a friend now. So, I'm very much looking forward to that. But yeah, cheers everyone for tuning in to this week's Command AI. Always welcome. Always welcome uh feedback if you got anything for us. Hope you enjoyed the news and we'll see you next week. Yeah, with all that, go out, touch some grass, and peace out. Keep on vibing. Keep on vibing. Cool.